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		<title>By: Ruthella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruthella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to help put this wrong right. Here is my contact information.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to help put this wrong right. Here is my contact information.<br />
Ruthella Logan-Livingston<br />
270 Hebron Street<br />
MA 02126<br />
617-364-1413<br />
857-654-6397-Cell<br />
<a href="mailto:ruthella12000@yah00.com">ruthella12000@yah00.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Audrey Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LifeWay no longer carries Ray Boltz and his music has been removed from the shelves of the store.</description>
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		<title>By: Audrey Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audrey Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither women nor men should be getting &quot;self-esteem&quot; from the positions they hold. Self worth is based on the fact that we are made in the image of God and that we, believers, belong to Jesus Christ and not on any leadership role. People who are using their leadership positions in order to feel good about themselves should not be leaders. Women can be leaders. LifeWay does not say that women can&#039;t be leaders. The SBC just aligns their position with the Scriptures and the Scriptures teach that a man should be the senior pastor or elder of a church. I commend the SBC and am grateful they hold to their convictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither women nor men should be getting &#8220;self-esteem&#8221; from the positions they hold. Self worth is based on the fact that we are made in the image of God and that we, believers, belong to Jesus Christ and not on any leadership role. People who are using their leadership positions in order to feel good about themselves should not be leaders. Women can be leaders. LifeWay does not say that women can&#8217;t be leaders. The SBC just aligns their position with the Scriptures and the Scriptures teach that a man should be the senior pastor or elder of a church. I commend the SBC and am grateful they hold to their convictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Camel Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camel Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two issues with this move by Lifeway....first the role of women in church leadership...which has been addressed quite a bit in the comments.
Second, is the hypocrisy of LifeWay.  They carry books by Max Lucado and many others whose theology doesn&#039;t match 100% with Southern Baptist theology.  They also carry music by artists whose lifestyles would disquaify them from serving in the average SB church, Amy Grant, Sandi Patty (both divorced) and Ray Boltz (openly gay)....but they still sell their stuff.  And their biggest superstar, Beth Moore, a big money maker for LifeWay.  If someone denies the deity of Christ or proposes multiple ways to God...thats one thing...but when the disagreements are one secondary issues...we need to be consistent in our application of our theological beliefs...if not we&#039;re merely hyprocrites and it makes us look petty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two issues with this move by Lifeway&#8230;.first the role of women in church leadership&#8230;which has been addressed quite a bit in the comments.<br />
Second, is the hypocrisy of LifeWay.  They carry books by Max Lucado and many others whose theology doesn&#8217;t match 100% with Southern Baptist theology.  They also carry music by artists whose lifestyles would disquaify them from serving in the average SB church, Amy Grant, Sandi Patty (both divorced) and Ray Boltz (openly gay)&#8230;.but they still sell their stuff.  And their biggest superstar, Beth Moore, a big money maker for LifeWay.  If someone denies the deity of Christ or proposes multiple ways to God&#8230;thats one thing&#8230;but when the disagreements are one secondary issues&#8230;we need to be consistent in our application of our theological beliefs&#8230;if not we&#8217;re merely hyprocrites and it makes us look petty.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I suggest that those who favor women preachers get some Whiteout and scissors and just remove those troublesome Paul passages from their Bibles.&quot;

Actually, may I respectfully suggest that those who say there is a law that forbids women from teaching the bible to men or forbids women from being God-gifted as a pastor have already taken their scissors and cut out the context of the difficult passages of scripture.  We need to read the verses in their context and not helicopter them out so that they stand alone.

There is much evidence that the context defines the passages quite differently than the hard verses taken just by themselves.  There are six short excerpts from a DVD series on Youtube that will give a different perspective. You can find the clips here.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22cheryl+schatz%22&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f

There is a logical, and natural way to read the passages in their context regarding the inspired words that God used and the inspired grammar that actually releases women to serve in their gifts for the common good.

Sometimes we have a view of women that is based on prejudice that we have carried through hundreds of years of misogyny because we haven&#039;t worked hard enough to make the hard passages fit not only in their immediate context but also in the full view of scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suggest that those who favor women preachers get some Whiteout and scissors and just remove those troublesome Paul passages from their Bibles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, may I respectfully suggest that those who say there is a law that forbids women from teaching the bible to men or forbids women from being God-gifted as a pastor have already taken their scissors and cut out the context of the difficult passages of scripture.  We need to read the verses in their context and not helicopter them out so that they stand alone.</p>
<p>There is much evidence that the context defines the passages quite differently than the hard verses taken just by themselves.  There are six short excerpts from a DVD series on Youtube that will give a different perspective. You can find the clips here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22cheryl+schatz%22&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22cheryl+schatz%22&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f</a></p>
<p>There is a logical, and natural way to read the passages in their context regarding the inspired words that God used and the inspired grammar that actually releases women to serve in their gifts for the common good.</p>
<p>Sometimes we have a view of women that is based on prejudice that we have carried through hundreds of years of misogyny because we haven&#8217;t worked hard enough to make the hard passages fit not only in their immediate context but also in the full view of scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am highly interested in the debate of women as pastors, here are a few questions to chew on:

Worship Leaders bring the Scripture in the songs that they sing and in the lyrics they write.  Correct?  Therefore, in such songs, they are teaching the congregation truths about God, pastoring them in music, which, along with reading Scripture, is worship.  They, at that moment, are pastoring and shepherding the congregation into the throne room.  Are they, then, not pastors as well?

Personally, I am all for women as pastors, but I think that if we are going to draw lines, then we should be consistent.

Secondly, on the topic of Lifeway Christian stores, lets take the theological issues out of it.  Is it not called Lifeway Christian store for a reason?  If it only wanted to be representing the Southern Baptist Beliefs, then shouldn&#039;t it be called LifeWay Southern Baptist bookstore?  In your opinion, is it a misrepresentation to only include a handful of doctrinal issues but label them all as Christian?  If, by pulling the magazine out, they are making the claim that what is out of their doctrine is not &quot;christian&quot; then we all need to do a re-examination of beliefs that we truly believe make us followers of Christ.  Are there any issues, like women in ministry, traditional hymns vs, contemporary music, that define our belief in Christ, or are there a few of these issues that are up for debate? If so, then shouldn&#039;t all Christians be allowed to know both sides and decide for themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am highly interested in the debate of women as pastors, here are a few questions to chew on:</p>
<p>Worship Leaders bring the Scripture in the songs that they sing and in the lyrics they write.  Correct?  Therefore, in such songs, they are teaching the congregation truths about God, pastoring them in music, which, along with reading Scripture, is worship.  They, at that moment, are pastoring and shepherding the congregation into the throne room.  Are they, then, not pastors as well?</p>
<p>Personally, I am all for women as pastors, but I think that if we are going to draw lines, then we should be consistent.</p>
<p>Secondly, on the topic of Lifeway Christian stores, lets take the theological issues out of it.  Is it not called Lifeway Christian store for a reason?  If it only wanted to be representing the Southern Baptist Beliefs, then shouldn&#8217;t it be called LifeWay Southern Baptist bookstore?  In your opinion, is it a misrepresentation to only include a handful of doctrinal issues but label them all as Christian?  If, by pulling the magazine out, they are making the claim that what is out of their doctrine is not &#8220;christian&#8221; then we all need to do a re-examination of beliefs that we truly believe make us followers of Christ.  Are there any issues, like women in ministry, traditional hymns vs, contemporary music, that define our belief in Christ, or are there a few of these issues that are up for debate? If so, then shouldn&#8217;t all Christians be allowed to know both sides and decide for themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it great to know that prohibitions on women pastors, homosexuality as a sin, God&#039;s love for His creation, and salvation are all just cultural.  Obviously none are for today.  I suggest that those who favor women preachers get some Whiteout and scissors and just remove those troublesome Paul passages from their Bibles.  Sorry to be so sarcastic, but I have heard the &quot;cultural&quot; argument and the &quot;Greek really means&quot; argument to defend pedophilia, homosexual marriage, and worse.  And PLEASE do not give me the &quot;in my own experience&quot; argument.  Don&#039;t correct God&#039;s word, let it correct you.

There are God ordained differences between men and women.  Women are not inferior to men, just different.  A man may sincerely want to give birth, but it is not going to happen.  I guess Galatians 3:28 is refering to salvation for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it great to know that prohibitions on women pastors, homosexuality as a sin, God&#8217;s love for His creation, and salvation are all just cultural.  Obviously none are for today.  I suggest that those who favor women preachers get some Whiteout and scissors and just remove those troublesome Paul passages from their Bibles.  Sorry to be so sarcastic, but I have heard the &#8220;cultural&#8221; argument and the &#8220;Greek really means&#8221; argument to defend pedophilia, homosexual marriage, and worse.  And PLEASE do not give me the &#8220;in my own experience&#8221; argument.  Don&#8217;t correct God&#8217;s word, let it correct you.</p>
<p>There are God ordained differences between men and women.  Women are not inferior to men, just different.  A man may sincerely want to give birth, but it is not going to happen.  I guess Galatians 3:28 is refering to salvation for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Willard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget Willard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize you have a million comments... but

If it bothers the conscience of Lifeway Stores, then why not let it be a Romans 14 thing?

love
bridget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize you have a million comments&#8230; but</p>
<p>If it bothers the conscience of Lifeway Stores, then why not let it be a Romans 14 thing?</p>
<p>love<br />
bridget</p>
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		<title>By: Meghan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the world look like if all churches acted as one body?  This is not an issue that should separate us.  We should be able to go to a church that supports our individual beliefs, but the belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior should bring us together regardless.  
   In most cases I think we should stand up for a group that stands up for what they believe.  Having said that I do not think that Lifeway made the right decision, becaus this is not a topic of a sinful act, just a difference in theology.  If all Christian bookstores did this with every issue we would have as many Christian stores as we do denominations. I just don&#039;t see how that can be good for the Church.  Our town has one Christian bookstore, it carries Catholic, and protestant material.  
   For those of you who said that they should follow their beliefs, is this wrong?  If the owners are protestant should they not carry any Chatholic materials.  If so, isn&#039;t that just devisive?  I think we need to have a little more humility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would the world look like if all churches acted as one body?  This is not an issue that should separate us.  We should be able to go to a church that supports our individual beliefs, but the belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior should bring us together regardless.<br />
   In most cases I think we should stand up for a group that stands up for what they believe.  Having said that I do not think that Lifeway made the right decision, becaus this is not a topic of a sinful act, just a difference in theology.  If all Christian bookstores did this with every issue we would have as many Christian stores as we do denominations. I just don&#8217;t see how that can be good for the Church.  Our town has one Christian bookstore, it carries Catholic, and protestant material.<br />
   For those of you who said that they should follow their beliefs, is this wrong?  If the owners are protestant should they not carry any Chatholic materials.  If so, isn&#8217;t that just devisive?  I think we need to have a little more humility.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceci White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceci White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother in law is a pastor. 
I grew up in the catholic church.. so I have given this issue a great deal of thought.

About the magazines being taken down, hey we can&#039;t fault others because they follow their conscience. I rather have ministries that are true to their beliefs than those who are willing to compromise them all just to follow the culture. Not displaying a magazine really shouldn&#039;t be that big of a deal, it&#039;s not like they started a TV campaign condemning women pastors.

I don&#039;t understand why we put such a strong emphasis on whether women can be &quot;pastors&quot; or not... it&#039;s not like they are living in sin. Sometimes we are much more willing to follow a pastor who is living in sin than a woman.. why?

We like picking and choosing which regulations we want to follow and which ones &quot;were just cultural&quot;. (i.e. women covering their heads, not speaking in public, etc)

We can&#039;t make decisions based on our fears. Will the church attract more women? Who knows? Churches have been filled with women for centuries, so we couldn&#039;t fault &quot;women pastors&quot; for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother in law is a pastor.<br />
I grew up in the catholic church.. so I have given this issue a great deal of thought.</p>
<p>About the magazines being taken down, hey we can&#8217;t fault others because they follow their conscience. I rather have ministries that are true to their beliefs than those who are willing to compromise them all just to follow the culture. Not displaying a magazine really shouldn&#8217;t be that big of a deal, it&#8217;s not like they started a TV campaign condemning women pastors.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why we put such a strong emphasis on whether women can be &#8220;pastors&#8221; or not&#8230; it&#8217;s not like they are living in sin. Sometimes we are much more willing to follow a pastor who is living in sin than a woman.. why?</p>
<p>We like picking and choosing which regulations we want to follow and which ones &#8220;were just cultural&#8221;. (i.e. women covering their heads, not speaking in public, etc)</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t make decisions based on our fears. Will the church attract more women? Who knows? Churches have been filled with women for centuries, so we couldn&#8217;t fault &#8220;women pastors&#8221; for it.</p>
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